Comments on The Keene View on Cloud Computing: Complexity Kills: SOA = CORBA 2.0 = DOA

This article is just a bunch of dribble. CORBA att...

2009-04-30T00:44:00.000-07:00

This article is just a bunch of dribble. CORBA attached itself via IIOP to RMI and lives on. Most good technologies are useful for something and where would cloud computing be without SOAP, WSDL, REST.

All these new systems reimplement the corba wheel ...

2009-01-09T08:43:00.000-08:00

All these new systems reimplement the corba wheel poorly, they all end up making a new corba with the same features.

The only reason some of these systems persist is because they are open. CORBA although a standard, was not. OSS implementations of CORBA were substandard and primitive. Every good corba implementation was proprietary and cost money.

CORBA died of proprietization.

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2009-01-09T05:20:00.000-08:00

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The main problem is ADD among technologists. If Bo...

2009-01-08T14:18:00.000-08:00

The main problem is ADD among technologists. If Boeing threw away 10 years of development every decade and started from a scratch with a "simpler" model, it would get nowhere. The airports would get nowhere. People would get nowhere.

Just because we are dealing with electrons doesn't mean there isn't a cost in terms of subverting established infrastructure.

Luckily, operating systems (Unix and Windows) don't change flavours every decade. Look where that got us.

@Jonathan - I don't think SOA is vapor, certainly ...

2009-01-08T12:00:00.000-08:00

@Jonathan - I don't think SOA is vapor, certainly not the ESB part of it. The bigger problem is its complexity, which almost guarantees that it won't live up to it's promise/hype, which gives it a reputation for vaporish-ness.

I think the move to cloud computing corresponds to a move towards more lightweight cloud services like REST. SOA will certainly try to hitch a ride, but I think it will have far less influence in that market.

The whole industry is just a bunch of companies tr...

2009-01-07T17:39:00.000-08:00

The whole industry is just a bunch of companies trying to chase the latest Gartner "magic quadrant."

Middleware is a cesspool of re-innovation... instead of companies competing with an established technology set, they try and shift the "next big thing" to where Gartner is saying the market is moving.

As BEA successfully shifted the middleware integration play from CORBA to J2EE (because their attempt at an OTS failed) by buying WebLogic and happily taking Sun's marketing dollars, you then had a number of companies trying to shift the market to Web Services because BEA and IBM owned the J2EE market. And then the next big wave was SOA, but it's all just technobabble that's way more "pie in the sky" than real implementations.

Heck, people that want to actually solve the problems of integration would probably use something like ICE, which has all the benefits of CORBA without the downsides of a political standards board. And of course people who think analysts are idiots ;-)

Jonathan is somewhat wrong: see the plethora of WS...

2009-01-07T15:39:00.000-08:00

Jonathan is somewhat wrong: see the plethora of WS-* BS specs floating around.

I argue SOA was DOA (dead on arrival). It was a solution in search of a problem - big corps trying to outmuscle the web (HTTP/SSL).

Fortunately, SOA also played a part in killing off the "turn-everything-into-XML" meme too. No, turning a 5kb text file into 156kb of XML is not simpler.

Good riddance to both!

SOA isn't complex, its vapor ware. There is no SOA...

2009-01-07T15:34:00.000-08:00

SOA isn't complex, its vapor ware. There is no SOA platform, it is just a term you can apply to anything that involves one computer communicating with another.

This means SOA will live on, attaching itself to anything labeled Cloud computing.